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He's the wild man of rock n' roll known for his staggering intake of substances, but these days nothing beats an 'early night' for Keith Richards.
The Rolling Stones are back with new album, Foreign Tongues and the secret to still rocking into their eighties is all down to sleep. Keith quipped: "Go to bed early, theres nothing like it!
Childhood friends, Keith and Mick Jaggers relationship is still a complex mix of brotherly love and intense friction.
"Oh it is a marriage of a kind, admitted Keef. "Whos wifey and whos husband is another thing. But maybe that's what keeps it going. But when you meet the guy that has the same taste in music and the same feel for it as you do it's more than double the pleasure.
"You can't put your finger on it but at the same time it is a mystery and I think maybe long may it be a mystery. I mean I've been trying to think about it and figure it out and what is I found pointless.
So far the 'Stones have ruled out any shows for the new album, but Keith said: "Next year's wide open, so I mean it is, it's up for grabs really."
Bandmate Ronnie Wood agreed: "Oh yeah, don't have to twist my arm, mate. I'll be out there as soon as I get my call up papers. You know?
Foreign Tongues features a track with their old Beatles rival Paul McCartney on bass, and the 'Stones reckon he might make a decent full time recruit.
"I've realised that Paul really misses being in a band," muses Keef. "And his joy of just being in that context is great. So if there's any more songs to do, I'll let you know, Paul.
"I've known Paul for well basically since The Beatles started, since we started, but I mean only on the periphery and John and Paul did a couple of backup vocals for us way back when on "We Love You" and "Dandelion," I think way back in like sixty-seven or something like that.
"But otherwise, it's also great to have somebody from your own era, from way back when. He's a lovely player and I'd like to do more with him."
Mick enjoyed it too: "On (the track) Covered in You he sounds like a funky, bass player. I wouldn't recognise his style on that, honestly.
"And I didn't know he could play punk style, like real simple stuff like we wanted him to play. He just understood this style you know, and so he's obviously got a lot of capacity to change gears.
Being octogenarians means a lot of people expect Foreign Tongues to be the last Stones album.
Mick Jagger is less certain and told Zane Lowes show on Apple Music: "You could think that. I think you always think that this could be the last record. I'm not saying it is, but I mean I thought Hackney Diamonds was probably our last record and then we weren't scheduled to make this record.
"We were gonna go on the road and then we didn't go on the road and then we said, okay, we'll make a record and there you go.
In fact Keith is ready to get back into the studio now: "Oh, I have no problem with that. Anytime the whistle blows, I'm there, I'm up for it.
"Always got a few songs in the bag and I'm sure Mick does, he never stops and so I mean making that's what I do, so you're automatically thinking about what you're gonna do next and so it's sort of there in the making.
Check out the full interview on Apple Music.
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