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IDLE: Show help(object) output in a text viewer #81949
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| Nosy | @rhettinger, @terryjreedy, @taleinat |
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created_at = <Date 2019-08-05.20:56:06.543>
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title = 'IDLE: Show help(object) output in a text viewer'
updated_at = <Date 2021-06-06.15:28:24.396>
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taleinat commented on Aug 5, 2019
Currently, IDLE just writes the entire help message into the shell.
If auto-squeezing is enabled, then long help messages are automatically squeezed, following which the help text can be viewed in a text viewer or expanded inline. This is still not great UX.
I propose to simply have help(object) open a text viewer with the help text. There's actually an old (2007) comment in Lib\idlelib\pyshell.py by KBK that this should be done.
See related discussion in issue bpo-35855.
taleinat commented on Aug 5, 2019
See PR #59345.
taleinat commented on Aug 5, 2019
Raymond, I'm interested in your opinion on this.
terryjreedy commented on Sep 3, 2019
For myself, I only want this for 'large' outputs. I prefer something like the following left alone.
continue_stmt ::= "continue"
"continue" may only occur syntactically nested in a "for" or "while"
loop, but not nested in a function or class definition within that
loop. It continues with the next cycle of the nearest enclosing loop.
When "continue" passes control out of a "try" statement with a
"finally" clause, that "finally" clause is executed before really
starting the next loop cycle.
Related help topics: while, for
The threshhold for squeezer should be good enough. I think of this as autosqueeze + autoexpand if this if the first output after '>>>' and the statement began with 'help('. An advantage of doing it this way is that the squeezer button remains after dismissing the viewer.
Also, I suspect that most people who disable squeezer would not like this either.
terryjreedy commented on Sep 3, 2019
I should have said, 'who disable autosqueeze'. Anyway, an option to disable help autoview will make me more comfortable adding it.
A similar change would be to add 'Squeeze & View' to the context menu.